karl rove's group, crossroads gps is going to spend some money for some ads, and we know that's a successful strategy in convincing the american people. >> that's good news. >> i can't pass that chance up to do that. >> i understand. >> i think part of what's so important about the polling, we talked about this on monday and the quinnipiac polling you were showing, the republicans have had time to make their arguments and it's not working. more people are moving towards siding with the president. they believe it's the president and democrats who are making a legitimate effort. the private has been privately and i think publicly very clear from the beginning that he's no longer going to engage in this debt ceiling hostage taking. again, i think we mostly were focused on the top 2% piece, but he's been very clear, and i thought yesterday he was brilliantly clear with the business round table by talking about what games he was simply not going to engage in. >> karen, there's one point -- the reason he's talking to the business round table about that is because they have a real vested interest -